A source familiar with the Russian Defence Ministry's thinking said this was the most likely scenario if Moscow decided to attack, but that he was unaware of any such decision. At the end of the day it isnt going to be Britain v Russia, It will would be a NATO coalition. Zelensky thanked Blinken on Twitter after their meeting and said he was counting on stronger 'economic& financial' cooperation from the West. Putin is serious, building up a concentration of troops and armour to this level is not an excersise. Your posts are very aggressive. Putin is serious about sabre-rattling and applying miitary pressure. production rates are a worry. Any toys the RN requires would magical appear on the Quay side, and the funds suddenly available. UK could learn a few things by this process and not immediately scrap stuff. The same Russian warship has since conducted military drills in the Norwegian Sea, the Russian defence ministry announced. There are only two roads from Crimea that could be blocked or destroyed, a potential weakness, he said. I can see why you next comment was For starters. Surface vessels Anti ship missiles are effectively back up. Because the EU demanded first dibs on our defence contracts and all but destroyed our steal industry, just like they took over our agriculture and fishing industries. Surely he loses more than he gains. A 4 ship of F35s could put 36 missiles into the target area from over 100km away with the advantage of stealth. He then moves on to Berlin and will also hold talks with France and the UK. The trick is to sort the rubbish and the facts, with good journalism there is always some good Intel to be gleaned. Hi Robert. 'This is extremely dangerous. Dictators will at any cost hold onto power. The industry leader for online information for tax, accounting and finance professionals. The Kremlin also deployed servicemen to Belarus this week, ostensibly for major military operations with the country, sparking fears in neighbouring Lithuania. The Iranians are being bombed at will. Who is bombing the Iranians? There was the Orange revolution in Ukraine in 2004/5 that was the point that they started to orient themselves more with the West. Our carriers will only come intoRead more . Lots of disinformation out there I dont understand how Trump takes no blame on either side of the Atlantic for signing the peace deal with the Taliban of all groups but Biden blamed on this board with no push back. This is a US created crisis for US domestic reasons. 'How can we be given a chance to defend ourselves if you're not giving weapons? Defence forces monitor Russian warships off Irish coast Yeah easily mistaken for Japanese torpedo boats a few thousand miles off course. An interesting question is how much does Kremlin insider Klyushin being in US custody have to do with the escalation? People always seem to vastly underestimate the effectiveness of a medium gun. The ships - which included a . Russian warships filmed off coast of Britain as Royal Navy shadows Russia is allied with Iran, need I say more. HMS Tyne, HMS Richmond and HMS Kent jointly escorted the same group of Russian ships as they operated in the Celtic Sea. Also the Blockade the Atlantic Iceland gap. Ukrainian Defense Ministry's latest intelligence assessment yesterday warned Russia had massed more than 127,000 troops along the border, together with a sea and air component that marked a 'full strength' force. what about nato members bulgaria and romania? Europe could and should commit itself to being more than a match for Russia if it had the balls. I thought you might of recovered somewhat, after that meltdown you had a couple of years ago? I cant imagine we would though, as it could cause an incident in the channel. The lack of AsUW is a gamble that could prove catastrophic, as bad as the lack of anti-tank weaponry given to the BEF. Would tend to agree with you Graham, to what end does Putin need to invade Ukraine? The Russians are on drawdown but maintaining overwatch I understand. "The U.S. Coast Guard is currently monitoring the Russian . If the US had done this early enough the Russians would have back off. I certainly do! Tensions escalated at the end of last week after American officials claimed to have information that Moscow had deployed resources for a 'false flag' attack. Putin praised the ship's strength as it sailed off on its journey, saying: "The frigate Admiral Gorshkov is embarking on a long sea voyage. We all have opinions and may not always agree but nice to keep things civilised. one area that peeves me is that we no longer have the facilities to build produce the equipment fast enough. Boris take a private plane back to London from a climate summit in order to get to a party thrown by a conservative party donor .. is that not more irritating than a child asking the adults toRead more , the swedes attitude to defence equipment and production is very good. The rest of Ukraine is a sovereign state and fully independent of anyone. Thats an oversight. Could you tell me what youre drinking? WW1 & WW2 were not just ended by fighting but the economic ability of Germany to out produce the allies. Tommo dont get carried away with what the media put out. It can be logically assumed that KALIBR capability willRead more . Its not a valid comparison in 2003 the Russian was in a post Yeltsin mess and in no way capable of acting as a deterrent to US forces. Something will give as you cannot maintain an army at this sort of readiness indefinitely. Thanks Mark it just seems that the way that some outlets are reporting this ongoing story ,could in fact do more damage than good .As with some people on these threads ,that are goading eachother into what better weapons would do the most damage ,when the most destructive weapon is their Mouse/keyboard I know its just keyboard banter but my God theres some who really do want it too kick off. Most likely require a supplementary MoD budget? T31 is being procured to a strict budget, to get these vessels built and in service pretty quick, and we can upgrade once in service if the need requires it, they are large, and will be a very flexible design allowing more kit to be integrated over the years. My point still stands EFP is a deterrent/trip wire force to prevent Russia thinking she has an option to interfere in those countries. I stand by my comments and time will tell. good job that idiot trump doesnt have access to the red button or the west would be rubble. And if we enter a shooting war with Russia. Thats if of the few Astutes we have arent already chasing their own Oscars or Yasen. There is currently another Russian flotilla heading for the Med, this time the flagship cruiser and escort from their Pacific Fleet. We are in a potentially high risk scenario all it takes is a trigger point. And even 2 or 3 Astute boats would give any fleet a serious headache. Their problem then, as now, in terms of getting into the EU, was/is corruption. The region has been on a knife-edge since the end of last year when Moscow moved as many as 100,000 troops, as well as tanks and missiles, close to the border. I meant a small number combat troops postured to help the Ukranians defend themselves. A fleet of Russian warships and fighter jets, including the flagship aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov, has reached the North Sea and is headed for the English Channel, the UK's Ministry of . Unless of course you are a Putin oligarch;0). Dont want to show my age but I remember reading about the Ropucha class as a schoolboy in the 80s. The German government even went so far as to brief journalists on Tuesday that cutting Russia off from international banking systems - the so-called 'nuclear option' of sanctions - was off the table, prompting angry denials from Washington. Reuters, the news and media division of Thomson Reuters, is the worlds largest multimedia news provider, reaching billions of people worldwide every day. I really dont disagree with you. We in the West lost sight of the long term strategic goal of the US is remaining the sole superpowewr. If the RN really wants anti ship missiles, we would get them. If you were spending months in a bunker in a trench system in that climate I think it may well matter. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. NSM in clear sea lanes, is perfectly suited to keeping enemy at arms length. Genuine question did Ukraine have 100% complete control of the USSR nuclear weapons that had been stationed in its territory? More of your disinfo to correct here the US spends as much as the next 11 biggest spenders combined on defense nowadays not the rest of the world. Trump was right about Germany being too dependent upon Russian gas and some EU states not spending enough on defence. kill chain is very complex to find, track, and then engage a warship at range that doesnt want to be shot at. By Sam Greenhill Chief Reporter for the Daily Mail. An good opportunity knoks coming soon, to sink the Russian fleets in the Med, lol!! Much as he did in Syria . He would have stolen a march under US noses, scored a propaganda victory, brought Iraq under Russian influence and probably have prevented the 2003 invasion. True , I seem to remember one the OSINT Bunker pod cast guys saying if they start to move Air assets near the Ukraine border than probably the war is on , they have just done that. Do you have a link on that drawdown, havent seen that comment before? UK, US and some Baltic states seem to be the only ones that seem they maybe willing to fight. We live and learn. Britain said the shots were part of a Russian gunnery exercise. However, the MoD has failed to reveal which, if any, of the existing equipment programmes will be cut to reduce the funding gap. the russian method of fitting a gun,torpedo cruise missile wherever it can fit gives them more powerful vessel than it was designed to be. Why would Poles help Ukrainians? The ships have included a surfaced submarine, a destroyer, a corvette and a patrol ship along. Coast Guard releases video of Russian ships in Hawaii waters They believe Mr Putin's troops are being positioned in line with his new objective, with armoured divisions set to head into neighbouring Belarus on exercise but now stationed within striking distance of Kiev. Still better than a 4.5 gun. While the oil tanker Kama turned on its AIS tracker, the frigate Admiral Gorchkov kept it off to stay under the radar. The situation is quiet at the moment but when Idlib lights up the Russians will be there in force. The assessment put the number of rebels within Ukraine who are loyal to Moscow at 35,000 and estimated Russia has a further 3,000 military personnel within Kiev's territory. Also most of that Russian buildup is into barracks so not suffering. The proliferation of this capability within the new Russian Navy is profoundly changing its ability to deter, threaten or destroy adversary targets. Russian troops could also move into Belarus, opening a northern front for Ukraine that would put Russian forces closer to Kyiv, Giles said. Ok we fought for repression of all subjugated Countries including the German folk who were under the heel of the Nazi jackboot. In comments that will alarm Kiev, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said her country needs 'a reliable Russia' to supply Europe with gas. I think it is sad that Biden never got a shot at the Presidency a decade ago. On the face of it, Trumps position on the Right of the political spectrum, should have placed him as a hard opponent of the Russians but he was like a contrite schoolboy sitting next to Putin. Are you saying another country told Iran to attack the UAE? This may include adverts from us and 3rd parties based on our understanding. Military analysts said even if it overwhelmed Ukraine's army, which is half the size of its own, Russia could face guerrilla-type resistance, making it hard to hold on to captured territory. Build the strongest argument relying on authoritative content, attorney-editor expertise, and industry defining technology. LONDON, June 24 (Reuters) - Russia warned Britain on Thursday that it would bomb British naval vessels in the Black Sea if there were any further provocative actions by the British navy off the coast of Russia-annexed Crimea. I think so. The ships have included a surfaced submarine, a destroyer, a corvette and a patrol ship along with their supporting tugs and supply ships travelling in the English Channel, Celtic Sea and the West Coast of Scotland. Spain is sending warships to join Nato naval forces in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, and Denmark also said it would send a frigate to the Baltic Sea. We need to re-evaluate our position in the world, step back, calculate the cost of the CASD add that amount to a Defence budget set at 3%. When we need European Allies like France and Germany, where are they. Express. Douglas you are as delusional as can be in your explanation (Bidens fault) for why this is happening. NATOs multinational battlegroup in Bulgaria reached full operational capability on Wednesday. Leading to our militaries being optimised for fighting second rate foes. Spot on post! Yep, you may well sleep well when not being reminded of the things you could actually be doing to help the world, Ive partaken in wars over Oil and I dont even drive, Driving fossil fueled powered cars is not the only thing causing climate change and that we need to change. The Marshal Ustinov, a large cruise missile ship, is one of a. A multi-front assault might also involve a move into northeastern Ukraine, encircling but perhaps not entering cities where forces could get bogged down in urban fighting. Something that clearly says were here, and were flying over Ukraine and you arent stopping us. Russia summoned the British ambassador in Moscow for a formal diplomatic scolding after the warship breached what the Kremlin says are its territorial waters but which Britain and most of the world say belong to Ukraine. [However] when youre up against a determined opponent on the battlefield you have to go close and personal with your enemy. A longer-range version would also be welcome, Ive discussed the advantages short to medium term of NSM/JSM as well as Block V Tomahawk, particularly now that both Russia and China have joint interests in the North Atlantic. Also Congress now has the Trump White House documents related to Jan 6. What is aerial refuelling and how does it work? The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. Russian warships have been spotted off the British coast. Patrol ship HMS Tyne monitored two warships and an intelligence gathering vessel as they carried out replenishment operations with their supporting tanker. Several Squadrons of both Interceptor and Ground Attack aircraft from various NATO nations with beefed up on-ground defences and anti-aircraft units. And therein lies the fate of the world!! Iran has already stepped up activities in the gulf region, recently attacked the UAE with drones from Yemen causing a few civilian casualties. Resources, they have plenty of their own. The Sentinel 2 satellite image, taken at 11:47 local time, shows at least 14 vessels. According to French newspaper La Voix du Nord, another Russian tanker appeared to be heading to the Atlantic Ocean, sailing along the Boulonnais coast on the Strait of Dover, 20 miles away from Great Britain. The group thinkers on here have no idea of the N2 capabilities of RU and without AsUW the RN is in danger of being decimated before tea time. Please leave a comment below if you have something to say! The BBC said shots were fired and that as many as 20 Russian aircraft were "buzzing" the British ship. Six Russian landing ships have sailed past Britain sparking speculation they are bound for an impending 'full-scale invasion' of Ukraine - as Kiev warns President Putin has 'nearly completed' the build-up of troops along the border. In a call to Mr Lavrov, Mr Blinken 'stressed the importance of continuing a diplomatic path to de-escalate tensions'. Even so, Ukraine's Defense Ministry said it was accelerating its plan to form reserve battalions, a move that would help it rapidly deploy 130,000 recruits to bolster its 246,000-strong armed forces. 5 AnyRead more , Once again I must say that your assessment is spot on. Using it just to illustrate how the forward presence of US/Nato forces in Eastern Europe may or may not influence Russian decision making. To what end? You are just scapegoating Douglas. Heavily armed Russian-backed separatists have controlled a swath of eastern Ukraine since 2014 and continue to exchange fire with Ukrainian government forces despite a 2015 ceasefire that ended major hostilities. White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki warned of human rights violations and war crimes if diplomacy failed and the Russian government went ahead with its plans. (NATO will do nothing without US Support) Alternatively, NATO could station aircraft in Ukraine bordering countries and work with the Ukrainian AF to secure Ukraine airspace again daring Putin to attack NATO Aircraft. Tabloid sensationalism Im afraid Tommo. 'I strongly, strongly hope that we can keep this on a diplomatic and peaceful path, but ultimately, that's going to be President Putin's decision.'. Trump kissing Putins ass in Helsinki infuriated a lot of Americans. No unvaccinated driver may cross the border and there are 10,000s of them. Almost all forms of sanctions being discussed have a greater blowback potential on both Europe and the US than their damage on Russia. It was purely a theoretical consideration . During his meeting with Zelensky today, Blinken reaffirmed the American commitment to his nation's sovereignty and said Ukraine had faced 'relentless aggression from Moscow' since the collapse of the Soviet Union. For other inquiries, Contact Us. Ukraine has long accused Russia of having regular troops in the region, something Moscow denies. I know Sean but she would certainly Grind Vlad Putin down, Thats true enough, she grinds me down and I accept the science behind climate change!! An armed Russian warship docked at a harbor in Cuba on Monday as Russia warned the U.S. against causing a repeat of the Cuban missile crisis. He said the countries were 'united in their resolve' against Russian aggression. Yes we cant come to Ukraines aid in any meaningful way but this should be it now as far as the Baltics are concerned- reinforce the fuck out of them so they know what surrounded really means and, I hate to say this but trump was right the Germans are useless spineless allies and they dont deserve the support they have now, relocate all forces to Poland and the Baltics where it really matters. For use in the littoral, these also need to be smart weapons, able to accurately discriminate between types of ships not good to go sinking the wrong ships! Its a gap that worries the ranks the most! Warships belonging to the Russian Northern Fleet have sailed through the English Channel in a routine and lawful passage through British waters. Power stations. You can unsubscribe at any time. He may lose power after a disastrous foreign adventure. Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the reporting was based on 'unfounded' information, according to the TASS news agency. Patrol ship HMS Severn was on duty in the English Channel and Dover Strait, where it shadowed a surfaced Kilo-class submarine, the Stary Oskol, the corvette Boikiy, patrol ship Vasiliy Bykov and support ships. Blocking the straits is a far cry than just a few drone attacks. Were you not barred a couple of years ago from this site? The only Ukraine people fighting for their independence are those in the Donbas. Any commander in defence now has Russian forces to the North, East, South and West; it could all get very tasty. The US Coast Guard in Alaska came across Russian and Chinese vessels on an ordinary patrol earlier this month, the agency has said. 'Our view is this is an extremely dangerous situation,' said White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. Dissapointed in Macron, but cant say im surprised. The Americans have just sent their first shipment of Aid to the Ukraine what was sent was classed as LETHAL Aid. Therefore in theory at least for the narrowest Dover-Calais area we could do that. Merkel should not have abandoned Germanys nuclear power generation capability, and become so reliant on Russian gas. By Russian warships spotted off British coast - British Navy responds I have faith in the crews and TTPs, I have limited faith when the top brass dispense with offensive capabilities that the USN and every other major navy endorses. Just do what I do and refer to wikipedia according to which the class was commissioned between 1975 and 1991. Very old school looking set up and equipment. And it will be forthcoming if I am wrong as I hope yours will be in reverse. return to the tri nations agreement of 1899!! I really cant believe he wants to invade Ukraine. Russian Warships Shelling Towns Near Odesa as Naval Activity Increasers British warships escort Russian fleet through English Channel Because I dont have anybody living on the USA/Canada so I dont know the situation. A Ministry of Defence Spokesperson told me: As part of a unified response with our allies, the Royal Navy are monitoring the presence of Russian Ships as they transit through the English Channel. looking at the satellite images of the Rusian camps near the boarder. In his annual Defence speech, General Sir Nick Carter also said it was 'too early to plot the demise of the tank'. Putins Russia isnt anywhere nearly as big and powerful as the old Soviet military and couldnt go toe to toe with the US. It is a show of force and plans for a possible invasion. Actually having checked further the major problem the USA/Canada are having are the same that most countries are. Russia's warns Britain over navy confrontation, Raab: Russia being 'predictably inaccurate', Britain says it will always defend seafaring rights, Russia says London is sowing barefaced lies. To see all content on The Sun, please use the Site Map. Idiocy. 'Should Russia invade, we will provide additional defensive equipment to Ukrainians.'. Mr Putin is aware that as Ukraine does not belong to Nato, there will be no military response by Western states. The Russian strongman will be sending warships within Ireland's maritime economic zone - around 240km off the southwest cost of Ireland. These Russian landing ships are probably headed into the Black Sea for possible amphibious ops against Ukraine. Correction. UK politicians have been cutting our forces (numerically) once or twice a decade since the end of the Korean War, ie over the last 70 years, not just the last 30 years. We have Astute, which is the finest anti ship weapon in the world, along with NATO and allied nuclear boats, its enough toRead more . Ukraine was in part happy to negotiate them away for exactly that reason. loads of shps. It seems Not! Tobias Ellwood said Russian President Vladimir Putin was taking full advantage of a weakened West. But the figures arent as large as claimed andRead more . George is on Twitter at @geoallison, Comments may automatically be held for moderation by our team, they will be approved as soon as possible in accordance with our. 'Russia is stopped when it is stopped, not when Putin decided that he achieved enough.'. ', She said it mimicked the playbook used when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula, and included social media disinformation to show Kiev as the instigator of violence. Supplying intel and light weapons will not change the outcome much , Russia will win regardless of the losses shell receive. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. I was considering calling them coffins but ill go with obsolete. whats next a russian build up around the baltic straits?or the chinese off tiawan? The US Debt and How It Got So Big Updated December 30, 2021, https://www.thebalance.com/the-u-s-debt-and-how-it-got-so-big-3305778, i bet tyne sent shivers through the russian group. Wow so they first entered service about the same time as the Type 21s ! NSM has a IIR seeker so it can discriminate but the target still needs to be there when it arrives to be discriminated against! Land, they have plenty. But why would Russia deployed troops in Iraq 2003 to save Despot Sadams skin? Hope the Turks can hold them up over their passage through the straights and send Putins timetable skew-whiff. Since then its been regular movements in/out as the Russian military cycled as many as possible through Syria for the experience. The receiver is a version of the one fitted to the LRASM. Russia has repeatedly denied that it is planning an invasion and instead demanded that NATO bar Ukraine from membership. A publicly available U.S. intelligence document said Russia could stage an invasion this month with up to 100 battalion tactical groups (BTGs) or some 175,000 troops. JSM is also getting a version of BAes RF receiver, that is one of the primary sensors on the LRASM. As the region is already occupied by pro-Russian separatists, and has been in a state of war since 2014, it was believed it would offer little resistance. He also works for the NHS. Clearly I could be wrong on this. Will it damage to a ship? That would make a great movie but better to follow the money trail back to Russia and other foreign powers. Which it now seems were there to pick up gear to take out of the Baltic, not across it. You forgot Estonia which is British led! The Ropucha-class landing ship can transport 10 main battle tanks and 340 troops or 12 BTRs and 340 troops or 3 main battle tanks, 3 2S9 Nona-S, 5 MT-LBs, 4 army trucks and 313 troops or 500 tons of cargo. I have lost count how many times I have read about explosions in Iran over the past two years or so. Seizing southern Ukraine could cut Kyiv off from the coast and NATO's presence in the Black Sea, Melvin said, and could play well with Russian nationalists who see the area as the historic 'Novorossiya' lands or 'New Russia'. That was due to the unusually large number of landing craft in the Baltic. 'Grateful for [US's] political & security support. The group of vessels, which remained in international. His views were backed by Labour leader Keir Starmerwho tweeted on Saturday: To protect our values and our security we must be steadfast in our opposition to Russian aggression. Russian warships in English Channel prompt UK Navy shadowing operation How would you like me to paint Corbin and Johnson with the same brush? We reported earlier that amid ongoing tensions between Russia and Ukraine, the Russian navy has sortied 5 Ropucha-class landing ships and one Ivan Gren-class landing ship from their Baltic fleet, likely headed to the Black Sea. It said Russia had deployed 36 Iskander launchers, weapons capable of hitting targets up to 700km away, near Ukraine and said the medium-range missiles that could be used to 'destroy vital objects'.
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